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My kittens have decided to play nice. Mostly. They aren't scratching me very much at all, they have decided that purring and snuggles are the way to go at bedtime and they are putting on weight as fast as I can shovel food into them. They are hardly even trying to steal each other's food any more. Although this morning.....

"You've got WEET-BIX!" quoth Shadow. "Look, it's very simple. It's MY Weetbix now. All you have to do is just sit there and let me plunge my little adorable nose into your bowl and everything's just gonna be fine. Look, stop picking me up and snuggling me. Yeah that's good too but it's not the real issue at stake here. What do you mean it's yours???? We can work this out, OK? Just because you're suddenly trying to eat standing up isn't going to make a difference here. I can climb up your arm and - look, just turn your back, close your eyes, count to ten and it won't be a problem any more. Oh, OK. So if I let you eat most of it you'll put the rest on the floor for me? All right. Without prejudice, we can close on that one. This time. But I warn you: I'm a very tough negotiator."

I think she was a feral kitten born hungry, and still hasn't worked out about there being food next time. But she is slowly getting the idea.

On another issue entirely, I'm listening to Cran Ull while I do Maths today. I have always loved that song Bacach Shile Andai and have always wondered what the title meant. I mean OK, Bacach means lame and Shile will be an oblique case of Sile (Sheila*) which is the Irish form of Julia. Andai???? What is this? Her surname?

Looked up on Google and found all the lyrics, but no English translation. Nobody has ever done one. Um, OK. Is this Secret Business?????

[* OK, all you Aussie blokes and sheilas. Did you know that Sheila is actually Irish? ]

Re: Is dóigh liom é...

Date: 2009-01-15 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bar-barra.livejournal.com
Bha se/ go hIomacht, agus go ra/ibh maith agat

That is a brilliant piece of work. And your gloss of Andai/ doubtless explains why my dictionaries don't have it. Bloody hard work whichever way you slice it. I have only 2 suggestions to add to your superb scholarship:

[2] Is there a Castle Barry anywhere near Gaothdobhair? Cos if there is, then Bharraigh might well be the name Barry.

And is it possible that we are looking at a red pig here?? I would be willing to hazard that the word we now know as Rua once had a medial bh. But where the hell in that case the -ll came from is anyone's guess. And it may be red for - well, I don't need to spell that out, do I?

OK, that's a long shot. The use of mise and tusa rather than mi and tu is a bit emphatic. But I may be entirely silly reading more into that than I need to.

Sometime the Irish are AWFULLY gnomic. Do you know, I rode a motor-bike through Gaothdobhair once. Alas, it was before I realized that it was their home-town. *Sigh* Had I known I would have stopped and paid my respects.

The Pig's Tail

Date: 2009-01-15 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bar-barra.livejournal.com
I was talking through my hat there. I forgot that 'na muice' means 'ruball' must be a noun. And apparently in Donegal ruball na muice means The Pig's Tail.

Meaning??? I think we'll have to write this one up as.....

You Had To be There......

On your point 7, I don't think there's anything special in the doubled sentence. It's just an echo to make up the numbers. But it's fairly clear to me that the Q is OK, so there's an army there. Is it here????

Re: Is dóigh liom é...

Date: 2009-01-15 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com
... caislean a' bharraigh,

the a' usually is a contraction of ag, in which case this makes sense as a verbal noun construction, such as Tá mé ag dul. Drop the verb (as it is all the way at the beginning of the line), and you get [subject] ag/a' [verbal noun]. That would make the original verb barrach, barraim, which would be under my analysis “I bar”.

The trouble is the lack of any particle, unless it is the i back at the start of the line, which would then carry across both clauses.


(And after a little more investigation, there are words like barracht , meaning glue or mortar, which lends to the idea that the root barra has to do with holding (something) fast.

Verbal Nouns

Date: 2009-01-16 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bar-barra.livejournal.com
OK, that's fair enough too. I concur on the a', which means we are maybe standing fast at the castle??? On your other point about red, all the OI I can remember (which isn't much at all) agrees with you. Rudha like ON raudr, like you say. I guess I was talking rubbish after midnight....

BTW the ruball = tail is straight off the web. I never knew that....

Re: Verbal Nouns

Date: 2009-01-20 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com
I wonder if ruball is related to rópa < “rope”.

Diminutive, maybe?


Makes sense, now just needs some evidence.

Re: Verbal Nouns

Date: 2009-01-21 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bar-barra.livejournal.com
I LIKE it! Cool stuff there!

Re: Is dóigh liom é...

Date: 2009-01-15 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catsidhe.livejournal.com
Actually, the older form of rua had a final —dh: ruadh.

And this is entirely consistent with it being cognate with ‘red’, ‘ruddy’, ‘rauðr’, ,rot‘, &c. via IE. “reudh-”.

There was an IE word “ereb(h)” with similar meaning (thus ruby, rubricate, &c), but in this case the older texts are entirely consistent with the theory that rua is derived from ‘reudh-’.

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